There’s no relationship where you won’t get irritated or annoyed, so it’s best to figure out how to deal with it. Today’s podcast shows you how to deal with irritation in a loving way that brings you closer with someone you’re dating, or in a relationship with.
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How to Be Less Irritated With Your Partner: Show Notes
It’s no secret that people can be irritating. 😅
I’m laughing because saying it that way is one of the fastest ways to push someone away.
The more conscious way to say this would be that we get irritated. Telling someone (or even thinking of it as) “YOU’RE IRRITATING ME,” makes others defensive, and doesn’t acknowledge the fact that someone else may have a totally different opinion. This makes it a subjective experience, rather than them being objectively irritating!
There’s no relationship in which you won’t get irritated, upset, hurt, or annoyed, so it’s important to learn how to navigate this with love. Poor communication can create painful resentment, or even break up a relationship, especially when it’s newer. And before you even talk about this, you have to be aware of the thoughts, feelings, and sensations you’re having, that come together as irritation.
It was such an honor to talk with today’s Practicing Love podcast guest, Dr. Susan Campbell. She is a therapist and the author of Getting Real, The Five Minute Relationship Repair, and many more books. She has been working in this field for 50 years and is a wealth of wisdom and love. Susan and I talked about what she does in her current relationship, where even though she’ s thrilled to be in it, she sometimes feels irritated. We also talked about …
- Releasing egocentric patterns in relationships
- How to navigate differences, and even get to unity
- The need / habit to be in control and the impatience people often feel with others
- What to do when two people trigger each other
- What makes it hard to ask for what you want, and how to practice
- How to make upsets lead to healing
- Creating safe space
- The powerful Five Minute Relationship Repair Process
If you’re someone who ever gets irritated (wink 😉), this is a great podcast to check out. You can also listen to more podcasts with Susan on the Man Alive podcast here:
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Dr. Susan Campbell has authored nine books on relationships and conflict resolution, has delivered hundreds of seminars and workshop internationally, and has counseled thousands of individuals and couples. In demand with the press, radio and TV to help interpret the status of contemporary human work and love relations, she has appeared on CNN’s NewsNight and Good Morning America and Dr. Dean Edell.
Accomplished in the business world, Susan has directed a think tank, run non-profit organizations, consulted to Fortune 500 companies, and guest lectured at the Harvard, Stanford, and UCLA business schools.
An avid adventurer and proponent of “living your life out loud,” she has made millions, lost millions, lived in other cultures, and spent two years sailing her 47-foot sailboat halfway around the world.
Some of her more well-known book titles are: The Couples Journey, Beyond the Power Struggle, Getting Real, Truth in Dating: Find Love by Getting Real, and The 5 Minute Relationship Repair.
TRANSCRIPT:
Shana James (00:01)
Hello and welcome to this episode of Practicing Love: How to Have the Best Love and Sex of Your Life After 40. I’m thrilled to be here today with Dr. Susan Campbell. She is one of my go-to mentors and I constantly refer back to her books and send clients pieces and parts and worksheets and everything. Susan, it’s such an honor to be here with you today.
Susan Campbell (00:28)
Thank you. It’s good to really be here with you.
Shana James (00:31)
I know Getting Real was a book that you wrote a long time ago, but I still look at it often and think about it often. One of my struggles is staying true to myself and speaking up about what’s real for me. And more recently you wrote The Five Minute Relationship Repair. And you’ve got, I think, a dozen or so books in between there. You are prolific.
I really appreciate just how how real and tangible the information you share is. It is so useful for couples to be able to have a script for how to navigate conflict, and how it actually gets resolved, so do we not have to spend hours doing this. So thank you for mapping that out for us.
Susan Campbell (01:20)
Thanks. It works if you work it!
Shana James (01:23)
That’s a good way to say it. All right. As we’re diving into your practice of love, can you tell us a little bit about what kind of relationship you’re in now, or anything that feels relevant in your relationship history?
Susan Campbell (01:39)
Well, I will start with the fact that I met my current partner, who is the man of my dreams, only about 10 or 11 years ago. So we were of older age getting together, in partnership. And he really is the man of my dreams. So I want to say to anyone who doesn’t have a partner out there, it happens! I’ve had many partners, I’ve been married and divorced four times…
Shana James (01:55)
I’m so happy.
Susan Campbell (02:08)
…to really great guys, no problem other than it was time to move on, let’s just say. And so this man was just, we both think we just lucked out. So I’m in a relationship now with a man who’s intellectually my peer, financially my peer for once in my life. That’s been an issue for me, taking care of men. But he’s very good at taking care of himself and me.
In fact, you and I were talking about our orchard and our garden. He planted practically my whole one acre yard with all kinds of wonderful fruit and nut trees and vines and berries. And we have a greenhouse with a big garden. We have our conflicts and we’re able to easily communicate about them.
Shana James (02:39)
Great. That is precious.
Susan Campbell (03:04)
I mean, there’ll be moments of hurt feelings or getting triggered, but he’s usually the one that kind of gets impatient and has to walk out. But he comes back in five minutes and he says, sorry, and stuff like that. And it’s just so quick and easy, after all the years of hard work with other partners. I learned a lot with other partners and so did he.
And we came to each other with a certain degree of skill, thank God.
Shana James (03:36)
Amazing. I’m so happy for you. And it’s I think it’s helpful for people to hear that you’ve been doing this work for 50 plus years, and that it could still be hard for you along the way. And also that it can be easy. And that doesn’t mean no conflict or no hurt feelings. It just means faster recovery.
Susan Campbell (03:58)
It’s true.
Shana James (04:00)
Beautiful. Okay. Anything else you want to say about your relationship or how you came together? Somehow that’s a curiosity I have.
Susan Campbell (04:08)
We found ourselves online on an old people dating site. It was called Senior People Meet. So tip to older women, you gotta know where to go.
Shana James (04:13)
I love it.
Yes, I remember when I was dating at one point after my divorce, I started thinking, what is most important to me, and realizing my spirituality is really important to me. So I went on Spiritual Singles and there weren’t that many people on there. But then it turned out that I met someone great on there. I had met him on another dating site. But when I went and looked at that one, I was like, my gosh, he was there. So looking for what’s important to us and what we value really does matter. Yeah. Okay.
Susan Campbell (04:59)
Yep. I was very self-disclosing in my profile, saying things like, I’m still interested in sex, but probably not the first night I meet you, things like that. Because at any age, my story is men like sex. However, things do change. I could speak to that as an 83-year-old woman, if you want me to.
Shana James (05:10)
Okay, great. We will get into it. I think there’s going to be a range of ages, but I just love the fact that you bring this, the wisdom from where you are feels really important and special to me.
OK, so let’s dive in and talk about one of the struggles you’ve had in a relationship, and then we’ll eventually get to the learnings and how you’re practicing love.
Can you tell us how one of the struggles has shown up for you?
Susan Campbell (05:43)
Well, the current one has to do with him experiencing some cognitive decline.
So that may not be that interesting to younger people, but it has to do with using your relationship to manage your egocentric desires to always have things easy for yourself.
That’s part of the, I wrote that book, The Couple’s Journey back in 1980. And the whole idea is you go through various stages of really the spiritual journey.
It’s a path to becoming more of a WE and less of an ego-centered person. The journey, if you are paying attention and telling the truth, is hard, which is why we have to do trigger work, which I didn’t really get into until after that book, because not all people are able to tell the truth because of early trauma, et cetera.
The idea in the couple’s journey was you confront your differences. You have to go through a phase where you really confront your differences and go for getting what you want. Then you learn to adjust and stop projecting onto your partner your own fears.
And eventually you get to the stage where everything that I do affects you, and everything you do affects me. And we realize that we’re a WE, that we’re a unity.
And then the impatience that was once there with your differences — for me now it would be my impatience with him wanting to do the TV remote, even though he really can’t remember how to do it. I kind of want to say, give me that remote. But that’s our current fight. It’s a certain slowing down of things. But you can get impatient like that with your partner.
Shana James (07:52)
Gah! I love that real life example of the TV remote. There’s so many things where, and I can see this in relationships, in loving partnership relationships and with kids too, where it’s like, I just want do it, cause I could do it faster, or I would actually be in control even if I wouldn’t do it faster. I wouldn’t feel so out of control.
Susan Campbell (08:03)
Yeah, so all those control needs that I talk about in the book, Getting Real, which have us being impatient with our differences… through the journey, again, if we’re paying attention and telling the truth all along the way, we will naturally evolve to this higher stage where we eventually become a WE system. And realize our interdependence and all that. So I’ve gotten to that through mostly relationships with other people when I was younger, but I really am pretty good now at managing my impatience, but not always.
And he’ll project it on me, even if I’m feeling hardly anything. I’m being real good. I’m just sitting there waiting for him, or I’ve taken out my Kindle — you know the TV’s there and he’s figuring it out and I’m reading a book on Kindle or something, but he can sense my impatience. So that’s his trigger.
I’m not doing it right. And, you know, my trigger really, my deeper trigger that’s probably always been there is my needs don’t matter, the fear that there’s no space for my voice that I have to yield.
Shana James (09:24)
Mm-hmm, we’ve gotten from impatience around a TV remote to my needs don’t matter! I’m not important! And it’s so powerful because whether there’s cognitive decline or not in any relationship, there is this impatience, and this sense of: you’re not doing it the way I would do it, or the way I want it done.
Susan Campbell (09:44)
That’s right. And then we, you know, we get triggered or we take their behavior personally because it doesn’t fit within my comfort zone. And we can laugh about it the way I’m saying it now. And it’s important to laugh about it, actually.
Shana James (10:12)
Yes, because otherwise it can be infuriating.
Susan Campbell (10:22)
Yeah, so me holding my tongue some of the time, but then later letting him know, yes, I was impatient to a certain degree, but I also want some credit for, at least I didn’t say anything, you know?
Shana James (10:36)
For holding your tongue!
Well, I see the value of that because otherwise people can start to feel like they’re crazy or it’s like, I could feel your impatience, but if you’re telling me you weren’t, then something doesn’t connect there.
So, okay, let’s talk about impatience and how you manage it in those moments. One of the things I heard you say is, maybe I’ll take out a book and I’ll read and I’ll do something while that’s happening over there. So I’m not focusing on that specific thing that’s driving me crazy.
Susan Campbell (11:17)
Yeah, that’s the superficial way to deal with it.
And then there’s the inner work, the trigger work that’s in that other book you referenced, Five Minute Relationship Repair, which is all about what to do when you trigger one another in a couple relationship. And this also applies to friends and family, and your aging parents or whatever. I get to sit with feeling the impatience and being curious about it.
And breathing, and opening up a space to explore: what’s this about? Any memories coming up? Any stories like the story, my needs don’t matter. But also feelings that maybe somebody’s getting, like the dinner table in my family…somebody’s getting more food than I am. I eat slower. I have three brothers, big men.
So having flashbacks from your childhood that can then give you a little bit of sense of, that thing happened when I was only six years old. I can have tenderness for the feelings that she had where she thought she didn’t come first, or something like that and empathize with myself. And that’s the inner work that helps soften your capacity to handle painful emotions because you can be there for yourself while feeling those painful emotions. And a lot of it has to do with empathy for a younger version of yourself who wasn’t getting all their needs perfectly met.
Shana James (13:04)
Yeah, I was working recently with some of the inner critic and self rejection and it’s tricky and it’s not. It feels so paradoxical because on the one hand, I can see how I’ve been trying to be gentle and tender with some of those parts. And yet there’s still this wish that it would go away, right? The wish that the little girl in me who freezes in the dynamic with her mother’s criticism, and is kind of this frozen, undigested, cowering little part of me that has so many impacts, I can’t even name them all.
It’s like some part of me just wants that to not be there. And then realizing that’s not tenderness and compassion, right? That doesn’t help.
Susan Campbell (13:55)
Yeah, I know. I train coaches and I’ll ask them, when I’m first beginning with a new group, how many people understand that triggers are pretty universally a human thing that just happens to people?
And they’ll all go, yeah, I understand that. And then I’ll say, how many people, when you are triggered, still judge yourself or feel there’s something wrong with you or something like that? And everybody would raise their hands. So those of us who feel that way are not alone. Even professional coaches who do.
Shana James (14:35)
Right, even those of us who’ve done this for a long time. So when you find that story, you’re sitting at the table, you realize you’re six years old, you’re not getting your needs met…
How do you actually bring that empathy or tenderness toward yourself?
Susan Campbell (14:54)
Well, I don’t have a strong inner critic. I don’t have that one to deal with. I wasn’t criticized as a child. I was adored. You know, most kids at least sometimes had pressure from the parents, you know, you should be doing this this way. And so it’s almost impossible to not have a little bit of “not good enough in yourself because you see older people doing things that you can’t do, or people expect you to do things that you can’t do.
But somehow I didn’t get that one. I was protected from that in some way. But how do you deal with that when people confront that part of themselves that’s mad at themselves for being triggered?
I know what you’re talking about — You’re the part of me that ruins all my relationships. I see this all the time with people. I just will go, okay, can we step back and observe this part of yourself that’s treating this little six-year-old girl like that? Now what do you feel? Well, I feel sad.
Shana James (15:49)
Totally.
Susan Campbell (16:11)
Seeing this interaction between, let’s say, these two aspects of myself…A lot of times, at least people can get to some kind of softer feeling, and it will eventually lead to self-compassion. But it takes practice to be able to consistently go to self-compassion. I can go there easily, but I had an unusually easy childhood.
Shana James (16:28)
Yeah, I found the other day as I was working with it and I had this wave of grief. It was so much sadness. And I realized that part of the inner critic’s role was to buffer up against that despair, right? That old, old sadness of not being seen or known or understood, and criticized instead. And at first I couldn’t understand what this grief was, and then when I got— this is the grief I never felt when I was little, and it did actually move through.
Susan Campbell (17:10)
That’s beautiful. That’s exactly where all of my clients get, if the work I’m doing with them actually is successful. They get to grief for the kind of mourning the loss of what that little girl could have been if she had a little more support by the adults.
Shana James (17:37)
Okay, and for you, as you got to the six year old around the dinner table, did it just kind of dissolve for you, as you see that? Is that what happens? The self compassion is just there?
Susan Campbell (17:52)
Yeah, it was such a minor thing in my case, so I had to grab for something. Let’s see, what I really had to grieve was my mother not being able to nurse me, and having a hard time, me and my mother having a hard time at the breast. That’s my deepest wound.
It is: I’m not going to get what I want. It does have to do with my needs. Because her need was to stop the excruciating pain of me chewing on her nipples because her milk didn’t come down. You don’t have teeth when you’re newborn. But it hurts.
Shana James (18:21)
I know, but those gums are like, yeah.
Susan Campbell (18:46)
I’ve grieved that many times, that poor little girl. I had some hypnotic regression sessions. I also had many conversations with my mother about a lot of details, so it was a combination of intuition and seeing the way I was when I was in my 20s was when I got in touch with all this.
Shana James (18:48)
How did you get to that? Because those are pre-verbal experiences.
Susan Campbell (19:16)
You know, I had a hard time asking for what I want in relationships. And I felt like , if I asked for what I want, it’ll just make it worse, you know?
So when I was an infant, my mother said I just would go to sleep a lot. I mean, I just shut down. So that’s very sad, as I think about it, even now.
Shana James (19:19)
It’s so interesting. I think that there are different groups of people, right? Some who wouldn’t even conceive that there are these pre verbal places I can get stuck or where my personality gets formed.
So for someone listening, who’s like, Whoa, I never thought about that, that is very real. And they become some of those initial structures that form our personality.
They are formed before we know any words, or can cry for help verbally. We’re crying for help in other ways. And then I think there are other people who are on the path of therapy or self growth. I think it could still be a leap to think, my gosh, like you, there is a way that I don’t ask for what I want. Or I think if I ask for what I want, then it’s gonna make things worse. Wow, let me start to go down the rabbit hole of how this took form!
Susan Campbell (20:49)
And just to help people, because there’s other things you don’t get from your parents, when I tried to suck and suck and get my needs met, it seemed to make her more anxious and uncomfortable. And a lot of kids, when they ask for what they want at age three, four, five, 10, it makes the adults uncomfortable and it makes me, the kid, feel like I’m bad or wrong for having wants. All of that can be healed through a little bit of inquiry, a little bit of intuition and so forth. Talk to your parents if they’re willing.
Shana James (21:20)
Yes. I have a specific way I do inquiry with my spiritual practice, noticing what’s here and going deeper and deeper. Is that what you mean by inquiry or do you have a different way?
Susan Campbell (21:45)
Yes, creating an open space through your breath, and a little bit of awareness— creating that space prior to starting to really dig deep. It’s like an open, compassionate, spacious presence that can hold difficult emotions, and always coming back to the breath, to calm, and ground yourself.
Shana James (21:56)
Right, because it can feel, in some of those moments… When I was going through that grief, I felt the grief of, I don’t even know if it makes sense to be alive. And it was this deep, raw pain that if we’re not able to ground or have that spaciousness, then it’s horrible.
Susan Campbell (22:32)
You’ll overwhelm your system.
Shana James (22:34)
Wow, I love how the TV remote brought us here.
Susan Campbell (22:46)
Anything that two people are upset about, or emotionally resisting, is the doorway to looking at what needs healing from your conditioning as a child, or some other trauma later in life, that had you freeze get stuck in a certain belief system that was unfortunately wrong.
Shana James (22:59)
Yeah. Do you suggest that people do this work together in their partnerships, or do you suggest doing it with a professional or some of both?
Susan Campbell (23:26)
Some people can read a book like Five Minute Relationship Repair, which is like a self-guided workbook for couples, do this, do that, and you can take yourself through it.
Most people, if they’re highly triggerable, will need some third-party help to create a safer space, because people always tell me, gee, we can’t have these conversations at home. We need you. Even though I’m not doing much sometimes.
Shana James (23:34)
It’s amazing. Right, you’re holding that invisible part, which is the spacious, loving, compassionate presence. And then the way I just thought of it is that people behave better when there’s someone around.
Susan Campbell (24:10)
They do. And some, I remember I was going away on a sailing cruise once, but I’d been working with this couple and I had been working with video. So we’d video their sessions and then they’d watch their sessions. So when I went, they kept working with video, and they communicated with me at a distance , and said even just having the video camera on in the room is sort of like having you here.
Shana James (24:27)
Amazing.
Susan Campbell (24:37)
We behave ourselves better because we’re going to look at it together later on. I can’t stand myself when I do that.
Shana James (24:59)
I’m remembering I’ve had a lot of my clients say, it’s kind of like you’re sitting on my shoulder and I can hear your voice.
I love that, that my voice or your voice gets to replace that more critical voice. Anything else you want to add around how that journey from the upset to the healing that happens?
Susan Campbell (25:12)
Yeah. I think you asked what can couples do and I think I only just said you can read a book. And you said, should you do it more together or by yourself? First try it together.
Shana James (25:43)
Right, if it actually works then great.
Susan Campbell (26:02)
If you can do that. But there are all the practices, and this is in my book too, you can do these unilaterally, like after you’re triggered, you have to go back and try to repair.
The repair part is really the interpersonal conversation you have where you confess: when I said that, I didn’t mean that, I was triggered. It was probably my old fear that my needs don’t matter was coming up, memories of when I was an infant.
You might say that, or you might skip that in the repair, but it helps sometimes to let people know that you’re not blaming them, that this wound has been in me for a long time. And I kind of need your help to feel that my needs do matter. Or you can say, I need your reassurance that I’m important to you, something like that. So that’s what a repair looks like.
Shana James (26:46)
Yes. I was reading that that’s actually step three, right?
Susan Campbell (27:03)
Well, there’s noticing that you got triggered.
There’s pausing and calming are kind of both together. You stop talking. The idea for couples there is to just that once you know you’re triggered you’re, zip it. And that’s hard. so hard.
So you have to calm yourself and then you offer some self-compassion using that inquiry practice.
Shana James (27:14)
Great. Zip it. So hard.
Susan Campbell (27:38)
If you’re triggered together, you’ll have to take a break and calm yourself by yourself. Sometimes people can do it, you know, touching their knees and meditating, going inside.
Most couples need physical separation. So then you do that inquiry or not. You don’t always have to do the inquiry if you’ve done it many, many times. You can just know.
Shana James (27:41)
Right, if you already know what’s here.
Susan Campbell (28:06)
You can pretty much know how to fill out that repair script, because I actually give several different types of — when this happened, I felt and it reminded me of this and it was my trigger of not being good enough, et cetera.
I give people fill in the blank and, and what to fill it in with, options that are vulnerable versus accusatory. You have to help your partner feel safe in order to be heard.
If they’re not feeling safe, then they’re in a triggered state. you need to own that that was my old wound acting up. I need help.
But let’s say you don’t get to the repair part. then you just do the other steps. Noticing, pausing to calm myself, and then doing an inner inquiry by myself, bringing self-compassion to that hurting part.
And what that does for me, even if I don’t tell my partner, it expands my capacity to experience emotional pain without freaking out. Emotional pain is part of life, but it was overwhelming. Some emotional pain was overwhelming to your nervous system when you were six or one or two.
So one of your parts of your nervous system is still wired to think that this is going to overwhelm you, that you’re not going to be able to handle it. I mean, we’re in a big body, but we’ve still got some of the wiring of the child that’s wounded.
And so we have to bring compassion and calm that child and kind of bring ourselves back to the present time, cause you start feeling more soft and compassionate for yourself.
This just makes you feel safer. Open up to some compassion for your partner even. And you almost have to get to that friendly toward my partner place before you go back and repair. If it’s, you’re grumble, grumble: I told my therapist I’d do this, so I’ll go through the motions, but you’re still feeling resentment. It’s not a good time to do the repair.
So you might have to do a lot more of that self-compassion before you’re ready for even months to actually sincerely do a repair.
Shana James (30:40)
I like that we keep coming back to safety.
Susan Campbell (30:42)
I’ve heard this recently, somebody in a webinar said, I know my husband said he would do those repairs, but they never work. And that’s because he is not quite in that friendly place yet. She’s a smart, rational person.
He still kind of slips in the, “When you did this, after my telling you I didn’t like that,” he puts a little extra information in. He doesn’t really follow the repair script. And then of course she feels like this is not working.
Shana James (31:17)
The dig. I’m still feeling attacked even though you’re saying…
I wanted to return to the safety piece because I think again, that’s one of those invisible things where couples don’t understand why is this not working?
And if we’re not actually respecting each other with our communication, if we’re righteous, or I’m right and you’re wrong or any of those things that creates a lack of safety… healing doesn’t happen well without that safety.
Susan Campbell (32:07)
That’s right. So what you’re saying kind of summarizes the point I was making, where even you don’t even realize that you’re slipping in a little anger, judgment into your repair.
You think you’re pretty sincere, doing a pretty good job, especially when we’re a close couple, interdependent and like that, we’re so vigilant about things that are not safe.
In the beginning, In the romance stage, we just naturally accommodate to each other. But you naturally differentiate when you’re a couple. You naturally, eventually, get to the stuff that you weren’t even aware of that annoyed you about this other person.
It was gone in the bloom of first love. But so it’s natural to differentiate. And then if you don’t do well with your differences, You start getting triggered.
And from then on, unless you continue the work of the couple’s journey, from then on you’re very vigilant about seeing: that person’s trying to be right again and put me down, or all those stories that are really not true.
They’re just protecting themselves, and you’re protecting yourself. And it looks like a put down or withdrawal or something, but they’re just trying to take care of themselves.
Shana James (33:32)
Yeah, right. It’s interesting, as I step back and look at how important it is for each of us to take care of ourselves. There’s something beautiful and powerful about that.
And then it gets twisted when we don’t think someone else we’re with will take care of us, and we have to fight for it. Then it starts to get more that protective attacking blaming way.
Susan Campbell (33:41)
Yes.
Shana James (33:59)
Well, thank you so much. And again, it still makes me giggle, and it’s also very profound, that any of these surface things about— you leave your socks on the floor or your remote control, or you’re doing it and I want to do it, or you’re chewing too loud — really, any of these things can actually be a doorway into this kind of deeper healing.
Susan Campbell (34:26)
Yes, I hope people really get this.
Shana James (34:29)
Thank you. Anything else you want say to wrap up?
Susan Campbell (34:35)
No, I’ve enjoyed talking to you very much.
Shana James (34:37)
Great, and where can people find you? Do you have a main hub where all of your books are or how does that work?
Susan Campbell (34:44)
Yeah, my website, susancampbell.com. And you can see my books, but you can also, every , you can also probably get it a little cheaper on Amazon. Postage rates
I don’t care. Just buy the book. Wherever it’s cheapest, I just want to get the word out about this important information that I’ve spent my life putting together.
Shana James (34:59)
Is it better for you though if people get it on your website?
Susan Campbell (35:14)
I don’t care about the money. So my books are there. A list of some of my offerings and workshops are on my website, but you’d need to subscribe to my Substack, be my latest offerings. And that’s susancampbell99.substack.com.
Shana James (35:33)
Okay, great. Awesome, thank you for your generosity and for always being someone who has said, I don’t care where you get it, I just want you to have this information. I really appreciate how generous you are. Thank you.
Susan Campbell (35:46)
Thank you.
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